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Descartes / Re: Descartes Reading Group
« Last post by pdrsn on August 04, 2017, 05:35:37 pm »
Skepticism relates to when one claims to know something. It shows, in being skepticial, that you slip in thinking you are secured in knowing such and such, but in fact, you are loose and fall.

Could you clarify this sentence it's probably my fault but I'm finding it hard to comprehend.

Also perhaps we are in confusion with the term skepticism. Perhaps I misused the term but by skepticism I meant merely to say that Descartes doubts for example on page 60 (Hackett edition) when he argues that it's possible he is not really sitting at the fire at all but could possibly be insane and having delusions.

If by skepticism you meant something like "the impossibility of certain knowledge" then I would agree that that is not a correct interpretation of Descartes.
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Presocratics / Presocratics
« Last post by xavierhn on August 04, 2017, 05:31:11 pm »
So for our first tutorial, after having a look on the question and examples, I think we can say that we are asking to see what relates early Greek poetry and the emergence of cosmological questions; what is the link between mythos and question of origins?

Second. The 'Milesians': Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes. 

Aristotle tells us that they were interested in physus meaning the arising of something from out of itself; an overabundant emergence. How do they conceive this arising and overabundance?
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Descartes / Re: Descartes Reading Group
« Last post by xavierhn on August 04, 2017, 05:09:07 pm »
Where at all is there skepticism? Doubt in the first meditation has two meanings; doubt as in doubtful of a thing in its appearance, as in the showing of something to be not what it says it is. Thus something is wanting, and we turn elsewhere. And doubt as in indutiable as in a stopping point; here something stops what cannot be doubtful.

Both these modes of doubt tells us that Descartes is searching for a proper way of approach, which relates to a ground which gives thinking the correct way to see things.

Skepticism relates to when one claims to know something. It shows, in being skepticial, that you slip in thinking you are secured in knowing such and such, but in fact, you are loose and fall.

This does not correspond to the preliminary nature, the searching of 'doubt', which is more about what the meditations as a whole are doing: a search for a method to ground the truth in science. How we come to know, and the proof of this -- that is the mainspring of skepticism -- this is not the concern present. Where's the evidence for that reading?
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Descartes / Re: Descartes Reading Group
« Last post by pdrsn on August 04, 2017, 04:48:52 pm »
I am still working through the Meditations but it seems to me, at least at this preliminary point, that the skeptical interpretation is correct. What problem do you have with the interpretation?

Doesn't he use this skepticism in order to locate the original foundation which is the cogito? Then from the cogito in an axiomatic manner hope to build a priori knowledge or as he calls it 'science'?

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Descartes / Descartes Reading Group
« Last post by xavierhn on August 04, 2017, 03:56:43 pm »
Here we can discuss our course on 'continental philosophers'.

Today, Ruell and I, after class sat down and read the first paragraph of The Meditations.

Our main concern is with what meditation and first philosophymean and thus reveal about what Descartes is thinking about.

The first and main point Ruell and I found was that, contrary to skeptical interpretations of Descartes thinking as one of 'doubting', i.e., calling the senses into doubt as a rationalist, Descartes presents a 'task' or 'project' in securing a ground for thinking to come. This is how we interpreted the sentence: "And thus I realised that once in my life I had to raze everything to the ground and begin again from the original foundations, if I wanted to establish anything firm and lasting in the sciences". So, we are now faced with asking, what is the ground that Descartes wishes to secure as an 'original foundation'; and how does this relate to what is being established?
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Hey RD-C,

It seems it will be the two of us who will be the core of the Soren Kierkegaard Reading Group, so why don't we make a time to meet in Kierkegaard section of Fisher Library.

Perhaps we can start a first reading of 'On the Concept of Irony', or otherwise simply assess the resources available to us.

I am not sure how to balance making this organising public, with the convience of personally discussing a time to meet. Let's find a time to have a preliminary meeting next week.
Post in the doodle scedule so that we an try and find a time.
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Source: https://www.academia.edu/26291242/The_Integrated_Heart_of_Cultural_and_Mindfulness_Meditation_Practice_in_Existential_Phenomenology_and_Humanistic_Psychotherapy
 
CBT (Cognitive Behaviour Therapy) is what introduced me to meditation and mindfulness, and thus I find this analysis of the interplay between existential phenomenology and third wave CBT of interest.
Irvin Yalom, whose work is referenced here, was my first study of Existentialism.
 
Mediation is becoming part of our Australian culture. What role does it play? What form does it take? From where did it emerge?
 
I would be interested to hear your personal interactions with meditation. I wish to get a sense of how meditation and mindfulness exist in our culture, so that I can understand where it is heading. Looking at the place of mindfullness and meditation in our our culture may actually form part of my honours study.
 
The paper looks at Heidegger among others (Husserl, Merleau-Ponty, Rogers), from a therapy development perspective. It particularly focuses on the movement from the existential individualisation towards socio-cultural awareness. Obviously a therapy cannot properly treat an individual without reference to the phenomenon of the sociocultural world in which humans are imbedded.  A human is not so individualised that culture can be discarded; think of the 'they' of Heidegger.
 
A therapy should not be reductive. How can it be individual but not a-cultural, because cultural is not fundamentally individual.
 
"Existential phenomenology and humanistic psychology (PHP) approaches have, after all, distinctively favoured individualized service to clients as whole situated persons in contrast to reductive views that client suffering is better addressed as decontextualized signs or parts that are to be served by symptom-based approaches to care. "
 
The writers are rather poetic at times, which I enjoy;
"…culturally situated experiences carried forward in the life-giving breath of countless present moments."
"Indeed, it is from the affirming, heart-rich, and sky-drenched earthiness of PHP’s mindfully meditative experiential perspectives that individual sociocultural experiences are safeguarded from being reduced to pre-judged categories of understanding or dominant race-based hierarchies of value. "
 
Third Wave Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
CBT lacks the integration of vipassana with bare mindfulness of the present. CBT lacks the integration of meditative insight into mindfulness, where insight can be understood as the exact thing philosophy aims for, wisdom.
The word meditation, as an English word, is used in association with philosophy, e.g. Meditations on first philosophy.
It is important to remember that 'meditation' is not Buddhist, it is an English translation of a Pali term (sati), or perhaps more exactly a catch all for multiple Buddhist terms (such as anapanasati and vipassana, translated respectively as breathing meditation and insight meditation).
Task: look at the history of the word 'meditation'.
 
In any case, meditation as it has entered our culture through CBT is bare. I have felt this bareness, which is why I left CBT meditation for Buddhist meditation. It should be noted that CBT plays a huge role in our society, as any person who has fallen from the norm, or otherwise has mental health issues, and has thus come under the care of a psychologist or psychiatrist, has most likely been introduced to CBT, and thus bare mindfulness meditation.   
Which again raises the question, what introduction have you dear reader had to mindfulness?
 
" In a general sense, it is the integration of meditative experiential inquiry with the bare awareness of mindfulness that is relatively under articulated by the CBT third wave, but comparatively well developed in various existential phenomenological and humanistic core texts. "
 
"As Martin Lumpkin (2014) has alternatively observed, “When reading [Rogers] today, it is clear that he was writing from the perspectives and values of mindfulness before it was coined as a term” (p. 148)."
 
When was the word mindfulness coined? The term is not old? How were we mindful before we thought of being mindful?
 
"In comparison to CBT third wave mindfulness-based approaches, the empathic acceptance and nondirective stance of the PCT therapist allows for a relational experience of mindfulness in contrast to CBT third wave skill development through the techniques of guided mindfulness exercises or assigned mindfulness practices."
 
In CBT mindfulness always becomes an exercise, not a way of being (a way of dwelling).
 
"Mindfulness can be viewed as intrinsically phenomenological," which is why my study of phenomenology and my practise of Buddhism have developed in tandem.
 
'Husserl’s epoché requires abstention from viewing phenomena through the natural attitude biases and filters of personal, conventionally patterned, or scientific assumptions and judgments.'
 
A nice summery of phenomenological reduction. This can also be used to explain why Descartes was not radical enough in his reduction, he viewed phenomenon through a scholastic (? I don't concretely understand the term) and geometrical, mathematical and logical framework/pattern.
 
"At the same time, the MMHEP therapist may also want to simply notice the client’s style of being and communicating during sessions."
I like the term 'style of being'; It is linked to style of communicating, which is a commonly understood concept. My thoughts jump to the essence of technology as a determining factor for a specific style of being. I would say that my style of being has developed to be very meditative, letting be and letting go, abandoning my will to the self-stream of causes and conditions (which means not 'fighting', resisting or attaching). I can perhaps expand on what letting go means another day (the key is it is in no way resigned, nihilistic or negating).
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Reading Groups, General / Weekly Timetabling for Reading Groups
« Last post by StircrazyReality on July 30, 2017, 11:15:56 am »
Tell us your weekly availabilities for reading groups.

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Soren Kierkegaard / Re: On the Proposal for a Soren Kierkegaard Reading Group
« Last post by RD-C on July 29, 2017, 03:34:53 pm »
Hey SReality,

I'm interested in joining this proposed Kierkegaard reading group!

For me, I feel like reading more of his works would help me explore the juxtaposition between him and Nietzsche. They are, in a general sense, two very very important 'proto-existentialists', yet their endeavors are starkly different.
More so, I also want to explore his ideas on the phenomenon of faith, which upon first impression is a bit different to how contemporary Christian apologetics approaches faith with its emphasis on rationalism - i.e. the methodology of applying various criterion in the Gospel accounts and first century non-biblical accounts, literary and source criticism on Paul's epistles, and ultimately abductive inference towards the historicity of the Resurrection.


I want to suggest starting from 'square-one' and reading Kierkegaard's doctoral thesis "On the Concept of Irony With Continual Reference to Socrates". It seems to deal with irony in the Greeks and an analysis of 19th century philosophers, which may shed light on Kierkegaard's later writing style and inspirations.


Let me know what you think.
Also, what time in the week would be best for you for this reading group?
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