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General Discussion / Wisdom, Sophos, Prajna
« Last post by StircrazyReality on September 09, 2017, 12:01:12 pm »
What is Wisdom?
This will begin as a collection of resources on wisdom.

Heraclitus
Modified to better reflect Greek

(B32) The wise is one only. It is unwilling and willing to be called by the name of Zeus.
ἓν τὸ σοφὸν µοῦνον λέγεσθαι οὐκ ἐθέλει καὶ ἐθέλει Ζηνὸς ὄνοµα. 

(B35) Men that love wisdom must be acquainted with very many things indeed.
χρὴ γὰρ εὖ µάλα πολλῶν ἵστορας φιλοσόφους ἄνδρας εἶναι καθʹ Ἡράκλειτον.

(B41) Wisdom is one thing. It is to know the thought by which all things are steered through all things
εἶναι γὰρ ἓν τὸ σοφόν, ἐπίστασθαι γνώµην, ὁτέη ἐκυϐέρνησε πάντα διὰ πάντων.

(B50) It is wise to hearken, not to me, but to my Word, and to confess that all things are one.
οὐκ ἐµοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁµολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναι»

(B78) The way of man has no wisdom (γνώμας), but that of the gods has.

(B108) Of all whose discourses I have heard, there is not one who attains to understanding that wisdom is apart from all.
Ἡρακλείτου. ὁκόσων λόγους ἤκουσα, οὐδεὶς ἀφικνεῖται ἐς τοῦτο, ὥστε γινώσκειν ὅτι σοφόν ἐστι πάντων κεχωρισµένον.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wisdom/
This primarily follows Socrates trying to puzzle out why an oracle calls Socrates the wisest person. Two common interpretations are that Socrates investigations show wisdom to be either epistemic humility or epistemic accuracy.

On Pythagoras
Diogenes Laertius holds that Pythagoras was the first to use the word philosophia (love of wisdom).

A quick search for philosophia on the Perseus project brings up this.

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Pythagoras called the principles he taught philosophia or love of wisdom, but not sophia or wisdom. For he criticized the Seven Wise Men, as they were called, who lived before his time, saying that no man is wise, being human, and many a time, by reason of the weakness of his nature, has not the strength to bring all matters to a successful issue, but that he who emulates both the ways and the manner of life of a wise man may more fittingly be called a "lover of wisdom."
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0084:book=10:chapter=10&highlight=philosophia
Look at the Greek translation on the side and you will find the word φιλοσοφία

To back this up, here is a definition from the Perseus Project:
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φιλόσοφος
I.a lover of wisdom, first used by Pythagoras, who called himself φιλόσοφος a lover of wisdom, not σοφός, a sage, Cic.: then in a wide sense of scientific men, learned men, Plat., etc.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=fi%5Elo%2Fsofos&la=greek&can=fi%5Elo%2Fsofos0&prior=filosofi/a#lexicon

Buddhism
Meditation provides a foundation for wisdom. Wisdom is intrinsically valuable in Buddhism, and guides practise. Wisdom is seeing things how they are. For example earth as earth, body as body, mind as mind, feelings as feelings.
(In a discussion with a venerable monastic, we realised that this is what secular meditation lacks, a goal of wisdom)

Questions: Why is wisdom not fundamentally revealed to us? Why do we have to seek wisdom?
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Philosophical Resources / Re: Philosophy and Serenity
« Last post by StircrazyReality on September 08, 2017, 10:32:52 am »
 I have recently become more content with the unity between being a Buddhist and being a Philosopher. I had thought that perhaps they were opposed, as the goal of Buddhism is serenity of mind, and the process of thinking often disturbs serenity of mind (although the fruits of thinking may bring serenity of mind). However wisdom unites them. 
Meditation provides a foundation for wisdom. In a discussion with a venerable monastic, we realised that this is what secular meditation lacks, a goal of wisdom. Wisdom is intrinsically valuable in Buddhism, and guides practise. Wisdom is seeing things how they are. For example earth as earth, body as body, mind as mind, feelings as feelings. Wisdom unites my being a Philosopher and my being a Buddhist.
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Presocratics / Finding a translation of Parmenides
« Last post by StircrazyReality on September 06, 2017, 12:03:22 pm »
A collection of many translations, providing comment on the purpose of each. https://www.ontology.co/biblio/parmenides-editions.htm

Xavier and I are both using a David Gallop Translation.

Here is a quote from the preface.

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Richard Robinson, in the introduction to his translation of Aristotle's Politics Ill-IV (Oxford 1962, p. XXX), has characterized a translation as 'a shameful form of book.' For by offering a translation of each sentence in his original, the translator 'implies that he knows that this is what the original sentence means. But sometimes he does not know what it means, and is only guessing as well as he can.' In publishing a fresh version of Parmenides' poem the present translator makes no claim to know what every sentence in the original means. To signal the worst uncertainties, alternative renderings have been appended for passages whose meaning is disputed, or where major questions of interpretation hinge upon the text or translation adopted. In these places the reader will find it instructive to compare alternatives. He will then quickly discover how completely he puts himself at the translator's mercy, if he relies entirely upon any single version. He may also find it useful, especially if he is wholly dependent upon translation, to consult the short glossary of terms that present special problems of translation or interpretation.

(Again, it seems like the gold standard translation, Diels-Kranz, is in German)
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Philosophical Resources / Re: Presocratics
« Last post by StircrazyReality on September 03, 2017, 05:18:44 pm »
The beginning of western philosophy: interpretation of Anaximander and Parmenides
Translation of lecture course given by Martin Heidegger

Full text online through usyd library
http://www.jstor.org.ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au/stable/j.ctt16gz9tn
(Not sure if direct link works)

"Volume 35 of Heidegger's Complete Works comprises a lecture course given at the University of Freiburg in 1932, five years after the publication of Being and Time. During this period, Heidegger was at the height of his creative powers, which are on full display in this clear and imaginative text. In it, Heidegger leads his students in a close reading of two of the earliest philosophical source documents, fragments by Greek thinkers Anaximander and Parmenides. Heidegger develops their common theme of Being and non-being and shows that the question of Being is indeed the origin of Western philosophy. His engagement with these Greek texts is as much of a return to beginnings as it is a potential reawakening of philosophical wonder and inquiry in the present."
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Soren Kierkegaard / An update on my thinking in regards to Sickness Unto Death
« Last post by StircrazyReality on September 03, 2017, 02:10:28 pm »
Ruell and I have gone through the preface, introduction and first pages of the body of Sickness Unto Death. The aim has been to find a starting point for examining Soren Kierkegaard's thought as a whole, and not simply to examine the subject matter of Sickness Unto Death.

On faith

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he gained a courage that the natural
man does not know, and he gained this courage by learning
to fear something even more horrifying
(Introduction, p8 )

I use this as evidence for seeing the phenomenon of faith as being intrinsically related to (spiritual) endurance. Faith allows one to 'bear'.
An example I came across recently is Desmond Doss, combat medic in world war two, whose great faith enabled him to endure death and despair on the battlefield in a way that his fellow soldiers could not.
There is Miguel de Y Unamo, whose faith was a bulwark against the winds of chaos. (There is more to say on Existentialism and faith. I think what is key is that the Church failed, however the Church does not have a monopoly on faith. The church is subsumed under faith, not faith under the church.
What is Heidegger's relationship to faith? What does it mean when he says 'only God can save us now'? I do not think this has a simple answer. I do not feel qualified to explore this. Xavier perhaps you can say more.)

I see faith as the ability to 'bear' even in people I have met. Those who have faith as part of their self identity do not suffer Nihilism to the same degree as those who build their self identity on other grounds. I see this in myself; that is in comparing when I did not build my self identity on faith, to when I did build my self identity on faith.

I do not have extensive knowledge of Christianity, yet Ruell has been able to help me get a hold on the Christian elements of Soren Kierkegaard (Christianity is his core, or at the very least is the core of the pseudonymous author of Sickness Unto Death Anti-climacus). I found it valuable to unpack the story of Lazarus, and what this means for the concept of death. I can perhaps try and unpack some of my understanding of Death in Sickness Unto Death below. After all, death is in the title of the work.
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Here is a very good translation of Sickness Unto Death:

http://studenthjelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Sickness-Unto-Death.pdf
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Presocratics / Finding a translation of Parmenides
« Last post by StircrazyReality on August 31, 2017, 06:58:18 pm »
I was wondering if we could share the most accurate translations of Parmenides that we could find.

Thus far:
http://philoctetes.free.fr/parmenides.htm

P.S Section 44 of Being and Time interprets Parmenidies

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Parmenides was the first to discover the Being of entities, and he 'identified'
Being with the perceptive understanding of Being: ... τὸ γὰρ αὐτὸ νοεῖν ἐστίν τε καὶ εἶναι.
(For it is the same thing that can be thought and that can be.)
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Descartes / Re: Descartes Reading Group
« Last post by xavierhn on August 31, 2017, 04:41:23 pm »
First Meditation

What is the unifying thought?

We must be able to provide an answer to this question, that asks us to provide the reserve, the place that is drawn from, of Descartes thought. Otherwise we have only formulations about Descartes without basis.

The nature (esse) of representation (repraesento) is being questioned.

Descartes is thinking about representation with respect to the place of what gives the representation its truth. In other words, Descartes is asking what guarantees the accordance of the represented with what represents within the presentation? We must cling to this word guarantee to wrest what Descartes is proposing himself as new, his saying.

This means: what enables accordance in the first place, what secures accordance, i.e., the very possibility of representation. Accordance of thing and idea that makes representation what it is, is a question about truth (veritas) - Descartes is asking about the correctness of representation and what grounds this possibility. To talk about representation is to ask what gives the true (ens verum) its share in the essence of truth (veritas). This is precisely Descartes question: What gives, what enables correctness to be accordant with what it represents? What grounds the certainty of correctness? This is no mere idle questioning, the very angle of the question of what gurantees correctness, gives us a strong directive as to what Descartes is himself putting forward about accordance.

Descartes is asking what allows the presentation of things to the intellect? This is not answered until the Second Meditation. The answer is the intellect, but it can err give wrong presentations of things. We must, therefore, obviate the possibility of erring and ground the the intellect as the locus of representation in a new formulation of truth: self-certitude.

Construction of the argument

There are four key moments in the first meditation that tell us Descartes is asking about the place of representation.

  • Received from and through the senses
  • Persuaded when in fact
  • No definitive signs to distinguish being awake from being asleep 
  • How is it possible to be mistaken

These are our clues as to what Descartes is thinking about correctness and its guarantee . What do all points share? A negative reflection on accordance, namely non-accordance. What grounds the essence of truth?
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Presocratics / Re: Heraclitus Essays ;D
« Last post by RD-C on August 30, 2017, 09:12:34 pm »
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Presocratics / Re: Heraclitus Essays ;D
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